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« on: September 24, 2012, 10:39:00 PM »
September 24, 2012Police Deaths
Taking a slight detour from Nommies post I thought I'd do a comparison of the numbers involving people killed by the police and police killed by the people.

Since 1990, 1,439 people have died whilst coming into "contact" with the police. Please note that this figure is for England & Wales only. Numbers for Scotland are harder to find. Likewise, Northern Ireland figures will be much higher than normal because of "The Troubles".

How, I wondered, did the police fare? Without forgetting that every one of these deaths is a tragedy, the police are not as badly off as we are. Since 1900, 300 officers are said to have died in the line of duty.

Since 1680, the total is said to be 5,000. These figures do, however, include deaths from those in service in the Colonies.

When an officer/constable or, in the case below, a Watchman dies on duty, it doesn't matter how he died. Dying in service includes natural causes as well as accidents.

Look at these from Scotland:

"Watchman Joseph Collie, Died 26 October 1835. Blown into the dock and drowned while on duty on a stormy night."


"Acting Detective Sergeant Patrick Burns, Died 10 December 1985, aged 38

Detective Sergeant David Ellis, Died 10 December 1985, aged 30. Killed together in a police car accident in icy road conditions at Aberdeen."

All three are tragic losses, but they hardly compare to the De Menezes case where, just for being an electrician, a firearms officer pumped 10 rounds into his head.

The above info, and much more on deaths in service, can be found here

The link concerning civilian deaths is here

The message, if there is one, is that we have much, much more to fear from the police than they do of us.

And, if we decide to arm the police then I want a gun of my own. I am 80 times more likely to need it to protect myself from them, as I am from Al Qaeda.



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