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EU deal FARCE: PM's plan is ALREADY falling apart
« on: February 05, 2016, 10:10:27 AM »


EU deal FARCE: PM's plan is ALREADY falling apart as it emerges sham reforms to be BLOCKED

ANGER was growing over David Cameron’s EU deal last night after it emerged that his planned curbs on migrant benefits could still be blocked by Brussels.



By Macer Hall, Political Editor

 PUBLISHED:  00:01, Thu, Feb 4, 2016   | UPDATED: 13:46, Thu, Feb 4, 2016 
 





   
 


   
 


   
 


   
 



   
 

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Anger is already growing towards Mr Cameron after the draft proposal was announced


The Prime Minister went on the offensive yesterday to try to convince sceptical Tory MPs and voters that his draft EU membership renegotiation agreement was worth supporting.

He appealed to them to vote with their “hearts” in his forthcoming in-or-out referendum on Britain’s European future.

But 99 per cent of those who replied to yesterday’s Daily Express readers’ poll backed an EU referendum at once.



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Do what’s in your heart. If you think it is right for Britain then do that

Prime Minister David Cameron


Of more than 48,000 people who responded, only six per cent said the UK should stay in.

“Do what’s in your heart. If you think it is right for Britain then do that,” Mr Cameron said.

And he insisted last night he was “happy to be judged” on the outcome of his European negotiations.

“I would say judge me on those things,” he said. “They are substantial, they are meaningful. They are not the final word, but I think they do make a difference.”


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Tory backbenchers have also criticised the reform package


But Tory backbenchers lined up in the Commons to savage his EU reform package, with one branding it “thin gruel that has been watered down.”

Discontent deepened when Brussels officials indicated that a so-called “emergency brake” on benefit claims by EU migrants could take 18 months to come into force.

It was revealed that the European Parliament could rip up the plan after Britain’s EU referendum if the country votes to stay tied to Brussels.

Senior Tory MP Steve Baker, co-chairman of the Conservatives for Britain group, said: “It is pretty spectacular to set the bar so low and still miss.

“This has been an ‘omnishambles’ of a renegotiation.

“I hope that the Prime Minister will now admit defeat and join me in campaigning to leave the EU.


 

     

“The only way to take back control is to vote to leave - it’s the safer choice.”

Brussels sources yesterday said the “emergency brake” limiting the amount of benefits paid to EU migrants in Britain could take 18 months to be triggered and needed the backing of the European Council and the European Parliament.

Under current immigration trends, the UK could see net migration of nearly 300,000 in the period from the referendum to the emergency brake coming into force.

It is also likely to lead to concerns that migrants would have an even greater incentive to head to Britain to avoid being caught by the limit on welfare claims.

Downing Street insiders disputed the timescale, arguing the brake could be activated in “possibly one, two or three months”.

Mr Cameron yesterday gave his biggest hint yet that his in-or-out referendum on Britain’s EU membership will be held on June 23 this year.

At Prime Minister’s Questions in the Commons, he told MPs that he had been pressed by Scottish Nationalists to ensure the referendum was not held “within six weeks” of elections for the Scottish Parliament.


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The concept of an emergency break on migrant benefits has angered many Eurosceptics


“I can guarantee that that will not happen,” he said.

The remark was seen as close to confirmation that the referendum will be held seven weeks after the Scottish poll on May 5.

Mr Cameron will now kick off a fresh diplomatic blitz to try to sell the deal to the leaders of the other 27 EU member nations.

He is due to meet several European figures on the side lines of a conference about Syria in London tomorrow before flying to Poland and Denmark for more talks at the end of the week.

Mr Cameron was quizzed by MPs from across the Commons about his draft EU deal in a marathon two-hour session.

A string of senior Tory MPs criticised the terms of the draft agreement and vowed to vote for a British exit from the EU in the referendum.

Tory backbencher Jacob Rees-Mogg said: “The thin gruel has been further watered down.”

He told the Prime Minister: “You have a fortnight, I think, in which to salvage your reputation as a negotiator.”

Tory MP Anne Main seized on the possibility that the European Commission could later scrap the idea of the “emergency brake”.


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The PM said if voters backed staying in the EU the emergency break would come into force quickly


She said: “The commission might agree that we at the moment meet the requirements to have a brake but that is their decision.

“They may not agree in a few years’ time.”

She warned that “every step” of the negotiations rely on “somebody else giving us permission to make decisions for this country”.

Former Tory Cabinet minister warned that that “emergency break” could still be struck down by the European Court of Justice on grounds of a possible breach of EU free movement rules.

He said: “If the proposed changes do not conflict with the treaty, we could have introduced them immediately without using up our negotiating clout on this issue.

“But if the changes do conflict with the treaty, they will be struck down by the EU court unless the treaty is changed first.”

Former Tory Defence Secretary Liam Fox complained that the deal would still leave ultimate control of the “emergency brake” on migrant welfare claims in Brussels.

“Whether or not an emergency brake kicks in is ultimately the decision of the European Union not the UK,” he said.


 

     

“The level of immigration at which it kicks in is ultimately a decision for the European Union not the UK.

“Even ultimately the level of benefits sent abroad is a decision for the EU not the UK.

“Is it not clear that we are not sovereign in these areas, we do not have independent control over these areas of policy and isn’t ultimately the decision in the referendum on areas of our own laws and our own borders, whether we want them to be determined here by ourselves or overseas by somewhere else?”

Mr Cameron insisted to MPs that the emergency brake mechanism would come into force rapidly after the referendum if voters back staying in the EU.

“People said it’d be impossible to end the idea of something for nothing and that a four-year restriction on benefits was completely out of the question.

“But that is now what is in the text - an emergency brake that will mean people coming to Britain from within the EU will have to wait four years until they have full access to our benefits.

“And the European Commission has said very clearly that Britain qualifies already to use this mechanism.





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“So with the necessary legislation, we’ll be able to implement it shortly after the referendum,” he said.

Mr Cameron pleaded with MPs to make their own minds up rather than bow to pressure from activists.

He told MPs: “If you passionately believe in your heart that Britain is better off outside the EU, then you should vote that way.

“If you think, even if it’s on balance, I think Britain’s better off in, go with what you think.

“Don’t take a view because of what your constituency association might say, or you’re worried about a boundary review, or you think it might be advantageous this way or that way.

“Do what’s in your heart, if you think it is right for Britain then do that.”

Martin Schulz, the President of the European Parliament, is expected to warn that MEPs will not guarantee to back the emergency brake measure when they come to vote on it.

Brussels sources said the Parliament’s committees, with many socialist and federalist MEPs, plan to spend months scrutinising the proposal. One insider said they could “rip it to shreds after a yes vote” in Britain’s referendum.

According to a leaked draft speech circulating in Brussels last night, Mr Schulz is poised to say: “The European Parliament will defend the fundamental principles and objectives of the EU and will be cautious of setting dangerous precedents.”

And he is expected to warn that the European Commission cannot “prejudge the outcome of a legislative process” by backing the welfare curbs before a vote in the European Parliament.

Gianni Pittella, the leader of the socialist group in the European Parliament, described the proposed brake as an “unacceptable” attack on workers’ rights.



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2 hours ago
lancashire lass



I am just waiting for him to appear on chat shows praising his "deal".

If he does and appears in shirt sleeves beware: this is a sign of lies, lies and more lies.

He has gone back on his pledge regarding benefits, and not a mention on border control.

He has sold this country down the river.

I see photos of him cosying up to Merkel. I can't believe this.

All he is concerned about is looking a concerned PM to the rest of the world. He spends money there like there is no tomorrow. BUT it is OUR money, and he never asked us whether we wanted it spent this way.

I see on the news that interest rates might fall again. Time Cameron thought of the people he was elected to serve and who are getting poorer by the minute and losing all their services while OUR money goes to foreigners.


7 hours ago
Anglocynic


I am amazed at the smug arrogance of Cameron, I shouldn't be, I'm old enough to know better but I am.
I could type for hours about the so called negotiation but will ask one simple question:  If full benefits are to be denied for up to 4 years, does that mean that partial benefits will be available from day 1 and If so, who decides how much and when, the answer to this question will be a guide as to how "far reaching" the improved deal really is.





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11 hours ago
tomwells


No decent man would show his face if he had behaved as Cameron has, but he goes around smirking. What the hell is wrong with him.





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10 hours ago
fighter4england


He isn't a decent man.




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5 hours ago
Mike


As proven by his shooting off to that factory where he knew he'd receive some sympathy, rather than facing parliament he has proved both his cowardice and his contempt for the electorate and fellow MNP's.




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3 hours ago
david dee


Didn't he go to Siemans?  A German company!




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13 hours ago
420404


Why is our PM prostrating himself at the feet of the Eurocrats? The majority of our people are not interested in his new deals with this corrupt organization. He is so adamant that we should stay in that I am beginning to wonder if he too, has a vested interest in staying in the EU. (Pay off)!




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13 hours ago
sandandsun


Cameron wants Drunkers job in 2019 when Cameron will be out of a job having handed over leadership of Cons and Drunker leaving his post as EU president,in November 2019 so he wants UK IN and to keep EU leaders sweet





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13 hours ago
Saxon


'Senior Tory MP Steve Baker, co-chairman of the Conservatives for Britain group, said: “It is pretty spectacular to set the bar so low and still miss'.



This has got to be quote of the year 2016.







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5 hours ago
Mike


So far, but there are 10 months left!




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15 hours ago
Her up North


Just seen a preview of a debate to be held tonight on local tv where a labour woman is getting all uptight about job losses if we leave the EU. The Ukip representative had to shout her down in order to get a word in. Her response was  'well you dont live here'. Is that the best argument she can come  up with.




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13 hours ago
Rocketman84


Its all a set up by the EU backed 'impartial' BBC.  The eu is more worried about a lot more job losses in the eu if we leave.




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10 hours ago
ShiltrumsRiposte


Funny, I,ve just watched Paul Nuttal on Question Time......and the four women on with him ran rings around him !




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15 hours ago
Anonymouse



Reading recent news articles must surely indicate anyone voting to remain in Fred Karno’s EU dictatorial Circus is living in Cloud Cuckoo Land.

 

Would anyone buy a brand new car if they knew it was goingto break down after purchase? Well that’s what our PM believes you would.

 

Just Google these headlines, easy to find.

 

Jan 28, 2016

YOU pay benefits for EU's jobless: Yet another crazy plan from Brussels

 

Feb 3, 2016

The end for Merkel? Chancellor’s popularity PLUMMETS as Germany faces £36bn migrant bill

 

Feb 4, 2016

EU on brink of 'terrifying crisis' Five of Europe's big banks are in danger, warns expert

 

Feb 4, 2016

That's it! François Hollande RULES OUT any more EU reforms for UK

 

Feb 4, 2016

EUROSCEPTICS GAGGED:Boris silenced with top job and Gove too 'scared' to call for Brexit

 

Feb 4, 2016

Fury as Cameron orders Tory MPs to IGNORE views of voters and campaign to stay in the EU

 

Feb 4, 2016

European court challenges Britain's right to deport all foreign criminals

 

One of the draft EU deals for Britain – Heading straight towards Noddy Land already

 

 “Mr Cameron will be given new powers to stop suspected terrorists and criminals coming to the UK, not only if a threat is imminent”.

 

All this & much, much more for only £55Million per day –Cheap as Chips. Who say’s we’re not ruled by Europe? Someone’s having a ‘giraffe’ an it ain’t the people in the UK

 




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5 hours ago
Mike


I've got a mental picture of some skit I saw years ago when a learner driver loses control of the car and the instructor has the brake handle in his hand. Probably now his caption balloon would be in German.




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15 hours ago
tomwells


Who do you think you are kidding Mr Cameron.





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15 hours ago
RobertJediknight


Cameron you are a QUISLING




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16 hours ago
gottobesaid


So it seems that the only person who thinks that Britain needs the EU is Cameron as even Junker doesn't believe we do.




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16 hours ago
Airborne Ally


talk going around in Europe (reliable source) That DC has come back with very little but if we vote out the EU is then going to cave in and give us everything and more to keep us in in and DC will then declare that the Vote will not stand and we have to remain in.




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15 hours ago
Her up North


I think DC will get into difficulties if he tries this one.




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17 hours ago
ShlltrumsReposte


I've had enough of cameron, UKIP for me from now on.




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16 hours ago
Eu4life


Same here, sick of the lib lab snp con cartel




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10 hours ago
ShiltrumsRiposte


HO HO HO !




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10 hours ago
ShiltrumsRiposte


TEE Hee Hee !




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17 hours ago
mysay


10 out 10 for porky for acting like a complete fool




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17 hours ago
mickjack666



This Man Cameron is not fit for purpose,

He is a bigger fool than the liar Blair,




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16 hours ago
ShlltrumsReposte


He's as bad as Nick Sturgeon




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10 hours ago
ShiltrumsRiposte


CHORTLE, CHORTLE !




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17 hours ago
commonsense


cant wait to see Nigel F tonight on Question Time - no doubt the Bradford audience will be one made up of all types of voters!!




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17 hours ago
farmstudio


commonsense.............I take it your comment about the audience was sarcasm /
This is Bradford , this is the bbc , this is approaching a referendum , need I say more .

Farage will handle himself in his usual way BUT only if Commi Dimbleby allows him to speak before interrupting as he always does !

It could very well look as though the studio lights are out in tonight's audience !




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10 hours ago
ShiltrumsRiposte


TEE HEE HEE
 Great night...not a cheep out of BoozyBoy,..Eh?




CHORTLE, CHORTLE !!




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4 hours ago
Mike


Won't be able to understand the plasticannies anyway. 3 or 4 generations in their English is still gibberish.




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17 hours ago
mysay


Bradford,,,,plenty of non brits there or second n third generation




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16 hours ago
collon mellie


bloody hell he is not on again is he??? that  t i t gets much more than his fair share of appearances on the bloody tv.




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16 hours ago
mysay


I take it your be one of the filth audience then




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16 hours ago
Eu4life


have an early night mell, you will feel much better in the morning







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15 hours ago
Bernie


That is because he is so popular. The peoples champion.





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12 hours ago
collon mellie


snort represents less than 6% of the popalation...hardly the peoples champion!!!
oh and cant get into the commons lol 







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12 hours ago
TheReno


Collim mell laughs out loud at his own comments







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10 hours ago
ShiltrumsRiposte


CHORTLE, CHORTLE !







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10 hours ago
ShiltrumsRiposte


TEE HEE HEE !




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15 hours ago
Bernie


The audience will consist of left wing liberal brainless idiots, the same as it always does.





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10 hours ago
ShiltrumsRiposte


CHORTLE, CHORTLE !!


17 hours ago
blazer


What he is also doing is killing off the Conservative party. In the US because of immigrants the Republicans have a tough time in winning elections. The same thing will happen here with the Conservatives if they support Cameron.


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17 hours ago
farmstudio


Just reported in the DT !!
The European Court has just decreed that  Britain CANNOT deport ANY foreign CRIMINAL  because it is illegal under their  HR,s !

This is yet another nail in the coffin of Cameron's EU love affair , but of course HE wont see it as that !

WE HAVE TO  LEAVE  !

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16 hours ago
joanrich


So why can Germany

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12 hours ago
Geronimo


Cos Angie runs it.


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4 hours ago
Mike


For now!


3 hours ago
david dee


Same she runs the evil and corrupt EU.



18 hours ago
Je Suis BREXIT


Even with a possable brexit the e u still treat US like sh1t . Imagine what we will have to put up with if we remain !!!!

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18 hours ago
doris


He has put another billion and a half on the table for Syria,I wonder where this is coming from, could it be from the million and a half sick people who are going to be added to the already 500,000 to have thier money reduced to £73,people who have cancer,as advised by the he think tank.

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17 hours ago
commonsense


its also being taken from middle aged womens' pensions - not enough for them despite paying in for 40 years and more but plenty for non contributing foreigners.
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18 hours ago
Weskiwi


Workers rights?  Labour and the unions, supposedly workers reps, bndoned that cause years ago.  Nobody really puts workers rights to the fore, in fact, with the present situation regards immigration, most workers are treated as bottom of the pile.
LibLabCon are simply looking after their own interests, just like the union barons.




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18 hours ago
An Honest Dave


What could the EU possibly do to us next? Maybe a directive forcing Sharia Law on us all! :-(
 

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18 hours ago
chris bangkok


Perhaps a law zat efryvon vil from now on haf to learn ze most important lenguedge in Europe, und vil in future haf to obey orders or be shot !
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18 hours ago
dave


It was revealed that the European Parliament could rip up the plan after Britain’s EU referendum if the country votes to stay tied to Brussels.
There's a surprise
Gianni Pittella, the leader of the socialist group in the European Parliament, described the proposed brake as an “unacceptable” attack on workers’ rights.
I know about workers rights, it left me with little work and extra rules to pay for myself.
So another lorry driver hung up his keys




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17 hours ago
commonsense


at least you wont have to run the gauntlet in Calais!


18 hours ago
An Honest Dave


We don't want an 'emergency brake' - operated by the EU anyway - which would only have the slightest effect on immigration. We need full return of our sovereignty so that WE can decide who should come in and when and who should be deported. But Cameron never put immigration - the electorate's chief concern - on the table anyway. I wouldn't have strangers coming into my house and telling me how to run things. I hope there are enough people who agree and vote to leave. Don't be fooled by the fears that will be peddled in the weeks ahead!




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18 hours ago
lancashire lass



When will Cameron get it into his head:

IT IS THE PEOPLE OF BRITAIN WHO WILL DECIDE ON OUR MEMBERSHIP OF THE EU ANDWE WANT A REFERENDUM NOW.   

WHY HAS YOUR DEAL OMMITTED ANYTHING ON BORDER CONTROL.

We want a Prime Minister who puts US first. There are problems a'plenty here without you trotting off AGAIN: the flood defences: the cutting of our services to the benefit of ILLEGAL immigrants - for instance paying extra benefits to Moslem men who have more than 1 wife. May I remind you that this is a Christian country and if anyone here commits bigamy then they are jailed. These people you have invited into this country should be made to sign a document - legally binding - that they will follow the laws of this land.


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  I smell a C.V. for the European Presidency!





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Do Citroen still make them?






 
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