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Open up your houses. Any spare rooms? More EU Voters on way...
« on: January 17, 2013, 10:05:42 AM »
Open up your houses. Any spare rooms? More EU Voters on way...

Up to 70,000 Romanian and Bulgarian migrants a year ?will come to Britain? when controls on EU migrants expire - and they are all entitled to vote in this country along with those already here and will be given every help to do so.
?Migration watchdog says workers will be attracted by higher wages and benefits than theirs

?Cap on Romanians and Bulgarians is set to expire this year
?Total ??? immigration from nations could soar to 250,00 over five years

By Sam Webb
PUBLISHED: 00:24, 17 January 2013 | UPDATED: 01:37, 17 January 2013

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Up to 70,000 Bulgarians and Romanians will travel to Britain each year when they finally gain open access to the jobs  market, a report claims today.

Almost 29million people from the two countries will be free to work in Britain from the end of this year when temporary controls on new EU migrants expire.

But although ministers have their own estimate of the scale of the influx, they refuse to reveal it.

The figure is likely to be the crucial factor in deciding whether the Government will hit the Prime Minister?s goal of cutting net migration ? the difference between those arriving and leaving each year ? to ?tens of thousands?


A Roma community in Bulgaria. Both Bulgaria and Romania are relatively poor, rendering employment in the UK an attractive prospect

The report by the pressure group MigrationWatch says Romanians and Bulgarians will add between 30,000 and 70,000 to our population in each of the next five years. This is partly based on the events of 2004 when immigration soared after Poland and seven other nations joined the EU.

The report estimates an average of 50,000 Romanians and Bulgarians will arrive here each year, a total of 250,000.

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But it warns the figure could soar if Roma gipsies or the nearly 1million Romanians already in other EU countries also come.

Romania and Bulgaria joined the EU in 2007, but the number who could take jobs here was capped at 25,000 for low-skilled workers. That limit expires this year.

Migration: Bulgarian nationals queuing up outside the British Embassy in Sofia for visa applications in 2006
The study explains why Britain is likely to be attractive to Romanians and Bulgarians. Both are relatively poor with a minimum wage of around ?1 an hour, compared to ?6.19 here, and income per head of about a fifth of Britain?s. In addition, destinations such as Spain, Italy and France have high youth unemployment.

The UK also offers full benefits when immigrants find work, including housing and child benefit and child tax credit.

MigrationWatch chairman Sir Andrew Green said: ?It is not good enough to duck making an estimate of immigration. It is likely to have significant consequences for housing and services. It will also add to the competition young workers face.?

David Cameron indicated he did not have confidence in Government figures, saying the estimated influx of around 14,000 Poles in 2004 turned out to be ?ridiculously low?.

The Home Office said it was looking at ?factors that may encourage EU nationals to come to the UK?.

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Re: Open up your houses. Any spare rooms? More EU Voters on way...
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2013, 10:08:15 AM »
We should close the chunnel and secure our borders.. Cameron et al play for time, they are putting the whole of our generational future in great peril, forcing us pay for our own demise and aided by dreamers who see the global vision and sleeple who think that nothing has changed.

Are ministers too scared to say what they know about the next wave of migrants?

NO! They need it to happen: to forge a one size fits all single governance. It will not stop, they are working to the UN global Agenda for the 21st century! We have to make people understand.

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PUBLISHED: 23:23, 16 January 2013 | UPDATED: 23:53, 16 January 2013

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Warning: Eric Pickles admits that the 'influx' is 'going to cause problems not just in terms of the housing market but also on the social housing market' BUT HE WILL GO ALONG WITH IT !!!

Are we heading for an unexpectedly large new influx of immigrants, as happened after Poland and other Eastern European countries joined the European Union in 2004?  Why ask ??

Before Poland became a member of the EU, the Home Office famously predicted that between 5,000 and 13,000 Poles would come to Britain every year. Within two years 264,560 had arrived, according to official figures. Hundreds of thousands more followed. (And the rest!)

At the end of 2013 all restrictions on Romanian and Bulgarian nationals entering Britain, and working here, will be removed (because the EU rules, ok?).This time the Government is not supplying an estimate.

But reading between the lines it seems the figure may be high. Communities Secretary Eric Pickles knows what it is, but won?t tell us. He doesn?t want to start a ?scare story?. He does, however, admit that the ?influx? is ?going to cause problems not just in terms of the housing market but also on the social housing market?.

David Cameron is no more forthcoming. He says he doesn?t have ?real confidence? in the estimates, while implying that as soon as he does they will be released. When will this be?

Will it be before, or after, all restrictions on Romanians and Bulgarians coming here have been lifted? He doesn?t say.

All this seems pretty disgraceful. Surely the Government has a duty to provide British citizens with a reasoned view of what might happen. If the figures are flaky, Mr Cameron should quickly get some solid ones. The inescapable inference is that the Government has information which it thinks might shock us.

As it happens, the pressure group Migrationwatch today publishes its own figures, which look convincing. It estimates that between 30,000 and 70,000 Romanians and Bulgarians will come here every year for the next five years, suggesting an annual central estimate of 50,000. It adds that the ?number could be considerably higher if there were to be a movement of Roma to the UK?.

Some may doubt the word of Migrationwatch because it is in favour of curbing immigration. In fact, its work is robustly analytical. In 2003, the organisation presciently described the last Labour government?s low estimate of Polish immigration as ?simply not credible? and ?almost worthless?.


The Home Secretary at that time was David Blunkett. He seems to have had limited faith in his own department?s official figures. In an internal email later made public, he wrote: ?Can we please stop saying that Migrationwatch forecasts are wrong.? The implication was that they were usually right.

Let?s assume Migrationwatch is also right this time. (Interestingly, its figures are below those being bandied about by some Tory MPs.) Would 50,000 extra immigrants a year be a strain on our services, as Mr Pickles seems to suggest, as well as being undesirable in other ways?

An influx of that magnitude would obviously put pressure on schools, housing, and hospitals. It would also affect the labour market at a time of relatively high unemployment. The minimum hourly wage in Romania and Bulgaria ? both extremely poor countries by EU standards ? is around ?1 an hour as against ?6 here. Low-skilled immigrants from those countries will try to undercut British workers.

Once they get a job, they are eligible for benefits. Mr Cameron recently said he would like to restrict benefits for immigrants. Under existing EU law he will be unable to do so for immigrants from the EU unless he does so for everyone. In other words, he can?t discriminate between EU and British workers.


David Cameron says he doesn't have 'real confidence' in the estimates indicating how many Romanian and Bulgarian nationals will be entering Britain, while implying that as soon as he does they will be released
When Poles and other East Europeans flocked here after 2004, they were drawn to a booming economy in which there were countless vacancies for low-skilled workers. It might be thought that Romanians and Bulgarians (the combined population of both EU countries, by the way, is some 29 million) will not favour recession-hit Britain.

But by comparison to their own countries Britain is still El Dorado. Moreover, the EU countries to which it had been thought they would be more attracted ? Italy, Spain and Greece ? have even weaker economies than we do, and much higher youth unemployment. The attractions of Britain as a destination may have increased.

Bear in mind, too, that Romanians and Bulgarians may not integrate as well as most Poles have done. In particular, there is the problem of crime. Last April, The Independent newspaper warned that Romanian immigrants were ?flooding the capital with beggars, pickpockets and prostitutes?.

Bulgaria, beset with organised crime, has been described by Europol, the EU?s law enforcement agency, as ?unique?. A 2009 U.S. diplomatic cable published by Wikileaks referred to ?Bulgarian mafia bosses such as the Skull, Big Margin and the Beret considered untouchable by previous governments?. Let?s hope they don?t turn up here.

Needless to say, I have nothing whatsoever against Romania and Bulgaria, and remember with fondness a brief visit I paid to both countries as a 13-year-old. But after a decade of uncontrolled immigration under Labour, and with the economy wheezing and spluttering, the last thing we want is another surge of migrants.

Improbable: It seems unlikely that Mr Cameron's plan to pay arriving EU immigrants reduced benefits will ever be accepted
Moreover, if Migrationwatch?s figures are correct, they will make a nonsense of the Government?s resolution to bring down annual net migration to below 100,000 by 2015. The 2011 total was 183,000, a drop of 25 per cent over the previous year. Last year probably saw a further fall, but next year there is likely to be  an increase.

And, believe it or not, there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. Under EU law there is a maximum transition period of seven years after the accession of a new member state, which will lapse at the end of this year in the case of Romania and Bulgaria. We would like to protect our own borders but are unable to do so.

One lesson of this sorry tale is that if David Cameron ever gets around to discussing the repatriation of powers from Brussels he should include, near the top of his list, the right to limit immigration from some EU countries.

Whether other member states will agree to this is highly doubtful, just as it seems unlikely that Mr Cameron?s plan to pay arriving EU immigrants reduced benefits will ever be accepted. For as long as we remain part of the European Union there seems to be nothing we can do.

Mr Cameron shouldn?t be blamed for that just now ? but he should be criticised for trying to shove the Government?s official figures for Romanian and Bulgarian immigration under the carpet.

The British, I believe, are a tolerant race and generally happy to accept reasonable numbers of immigrants, many of whom have made huge contributions to our society. But under Labour immigration was seldom openly discussed, despite its unprecedentedly high levels. The result has been a widespread loss of trust.

For David Cameron and Eric Pickles to withhold the secrets of impending immigration numbers ? while giving us the impression that we may be in for a nasty surprise ? amounts to an odd combination of political ineptitude and high-handedness. On immigration, of all issues, we are tired of being treated like children.

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Re: Open up your houses. Any spare rooms? More EU Voters on way...
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2013, 09:54:40 PM »

Well, when they start evicting people from the council houses from thisApril
when they just can't pay the planned "Bedroom Tax", that should make room
for few 100 thousand more migrants....


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Re: Open up your houses. Any spare rooms? More EU Voters on way...
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2013, 12:09:42 PM »
Perhaps we should all move to Rumania and Poland because here it's now a case of grey squirrel versus the indiginous red!
Can you imagine such an exodus,soon our country would be a broken down wreck.
Are we entitled to the same benefits over there as they are here?   



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It's the real "BEDROOM TAX"
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2013, 12:01:27 AM »

This will affect every home in the country -  not just "social housing" - Make no mistake!

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